I was going to tell you to try the Boca grilled patties because they are super yummy, but I looked at the ingredients, and they have dairy in them.

Vegan's pretty strict. You're braver than me.

Thanks, Tex. Avoidng dairy is one of my primary reasons for going vegan. Really ticks me off they would name a product "veggie burger" and then put friggin eggs in there.

I can say, though, that normally after eating a burger it isn't very long before I am heading for the bathroom. These didn't bother me at all. No upset stomach.

I'll just have to pay more attention to labels than I am used to doing. I have some folks on a Vegan forum giving me some shopping pointers.

I read your vegan anyone? article but I still don't understand why you would go straight to Vegan rather than just staying vegetarian for a while first. Even ovo-lactose veggie, then the eggs aren't an issue.

#3 by SSG Geezer Wednesday, January 04, 2006 I read your vegan anyone? article but I still don't understand why you would go straight to Vegan rather than just staying vegetarian for a while first. Even ovo-lactose veggie, then the eggs aren't an issue.

Basically, because dairy products and eggs contribute to my health issue and I need to avoid them. If they didn't I would simply go vegetarian and be perfectly happy. Unlike 90% of Vegans, my motivation is primarily health not animal rights.

Really ticks me off they would name a product "veggie burger" and then put friggin eggs in there.

That's because eggs are vegetarian.  Eating strict vegan is *really* hard.  There are even pastas and a lot of breads that use egg.  You might want to just decide not to be that fanaticle, especially if being an ovo vegetarian ends up resolving your issue.

I try to avoid dairy (even though I *love* cheese) because of a liver issue that I have.  Eggs, in small quantities (especially when just using the white) don't seem to be a problem.  I really like strawberry soy milk made by Silk- I get them in little single serve containers so none of it ever goes "bad" before it's consumed.  Mmmmm...that sounds good right now...

Karma, from experience I know that eggs are a trigger for my IBS. Probably a mild allergy.

'Thanks, Tex. Avoidng dairy is one of my primary reasons for going vegan. Really ticks me off they would name a product "veggie burger" and then put friggin eggs in there.'

If you're going to stick at the veganism, Mason, you will find that the case you describe above is common. Reluctantly, I feel I must speak up in the manufacturer's defence in this instance, as there are many variants of vegetarianism, of which veganism is only one, so they're not strictly out of order here. However, I do think it would be sensible if manufacturers were to introduce a set of clear symbols indicating the main categories - 'no meat', 'no eggs', 'no dairy' etc. In the meantime, as I often say, you can tell us vegans in the supermarket - we take twice as long as everyone else because we (have to) read every flaming label!

'Hungry Jacks' (the Australian wing of 'Burger King') did far worse than this recently. They made a big hoo-hah about releasing a new veggie-burger, only for it to be exposed several months down the track as containing significant amounts of beef fat! Cue hordes of outraged (if perhaps slightly naive) vegetarians. What's worse, Hungry Jack's were completely unrepentant, claiming that just because they'd called it a 'veggie-burger' gave people no right to assume it didn't ALSO contain animal products. Moral: Don't buy vegetarian from hamburger chains; rather, make a point of supporting the outlets that have a focus on your diet, and not just your wallet.

Actually I don't know much about them because I tried them years ago and was grossed out.

My question is this: I'd love to try them again but can you tell me how many and the types of veggies that are in them?

My two year old won't eat a vegetable of any kind to save his little life. I've tried disguising the veggies in meatballs and such....yeah, he is not a dummy. As soon as he sees the specks, he throws it off the table. (Uh-huh, I am breaking him of that, but he is a stubborn one.)

Anyway, I was thinking this might be a great way to trick his veggies in....if they aren't so over processed that all the nutrients are gone.

Also, how is the texture?

Any info is much appreciated, thanks!

Yeah FC, I learned that lesson: read the labels. Clear markings would be nice.

Tova, it just depends on the brand. I'd suggest just reading the label on whatever they sell at your store.

'My question is this: I'd love to try them again but can you tell me how many and the types of veggies that are in them?'

Tova (and Mason too, come to think of it), I would suggest the best way to be really sure is to make your own. It's generally cheaper, can be a lot of fun, and - once you get used to it - there is no mystery whatsoever in preparing great vegetarian food. What's more, a mere Google away, there are more veggie-burger recipes than you could poke a stick at ...

I'm sure that's true FC and I may try it some time. But like most people, time and scheduling are always problematic.

"tofurkey"

useless comment: That word always cracks me up.

My question is this: I'd love to try them again but can you tell me how many and the types of veggies that are in them?

Here are the ingredients for Boca's Chicken Patties:

Ingredients: PATTY: WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, SOY PROTEIN ISOLATE, TEXTURED WHEAT PROTEIN (WHEAT GLUTEN, WHEAT FLOUR), CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF WHEAT GLUTEN, YEAST EXTRACT, METHYLCELLULOSE, SALT, SPICE (CONTAINS BLACK PEPPER), NATURAL FLAVOR (NON-MEAT), HYDROLYZED SOYBEAN AND CORN PROTEIN, HYDROLYZED CORN GLUTEN, ONION POWDER, SUGAR, SUCCINIC ACID, THIAMINE HYDROCHLORIDE (VITAMIN B1). BATTER: WATER, WHEAT FLOUR, YELLOW CORN FLOUR, SALT. BREADING: WHEAT FLOUR, DEXTROSE, SALT, DRIED YEAST, CARAMEL COLOR, YELLOW CORN FLOUR, EXTRACTIVES OF PAPRIKA AND ANNATTO FOR COLOR. BROWNED IN CORN OIL.

I would think that it's not the best subsitute for vegetables, but rather a good protein subsitute for those not eating meat.

They made a big hoo-hah about releasing a new veggie-burger, only for it to be exposed several months down the track as containing significant amounts of beef fat! Cue hordes of outraged (if perhaps slightly naive) vegetarians

I dont see why they would be outraged!  I am sure the cows (since cow is female) would be glad to get rid of some fat!  never met a female that was not happy to!

I would think that it's not the best subsitute for vegetables, but rather a good protein subsitute for those not eating meat.

Bocas are a soy patty, not an actual veggie patty.  MorningStar Farms has a lot of "veggie" patties as well as grillers (they have a vegan griller- grillers are made with soy).  Here is a link to a patty that is considered to have 2 servings of veggies in it:  http://www.kelloggs.com/cgi-bin/brandpages/product.pl?product=323&company=23

However, if you have a really picky eater, they may not like them.  Real veggie burgers are not like meat at all.

Moral: Don't buy vegetarian from hamburger chains; rather, make a point of supporting the outlets that have a focus on your diet, and not just your wallet.

Yeah, I don't go out to eat a lot for that reason.  A lot of "veggie" soups have a beef base, a lot of veggies are cooked with animal products, etc.  However, there is a restaurant by me called Seva that is completely vegetarian and denotes "vegan" foods so people know what they are eating.  They are also rated at the top of the health department for food safety (no violations).  I guess there is less food contamination when meat isn't involved.