This will be abused in the same way that current ID's are abused. You steal one and use it while the very bored/unconcerned clerk never notices that it isn't yours. ID's are almost as big a joke as the signature on a check.

I have to agree with greywar..... there is nothing man can creat that another man can break/decode/falsify.

Great Points Mason!!

I think what we are seeing is the result of enough whiny "there outta be a law" Americans crying their plea to the federal government.

Guess what folks, we are losing our rights and it is all our fault!

We know where the illegals are, we know where to find them, national ID cards are a joke, a lie and an encroachment on our rights. The problem is, they are also what the whiny wimps and sheep are bleating out for.

I agree as well. This is yet another Federal bright idea designed to infringe on our rights and accomplish little else. I wonder how many tax dollars will be flushed in connection with this pointless idea?

Guess what folks, we are losing our rights and it is all our fault!

(singing)

Looook for the Libertarian label,
The Libertarian label,
The Libertarian label.

I'll bring you guys around yet!

Promises and "IF ELECTED, I WILL..." songs are struck up during election times. But the most popular song is, "BRINGING IN THE SHEEP!!!" Seems like that is what we're becoming.

Heres an interesting fact...
Israel is very ofen referred to as "the only democracy in the Middle East".
Hows this for democratic??
All Israeli citizens are required by law to carry identity cards, On these cards it is stated if the person is a Jew or an Arab. This semed undemocratic... so those words were removed. I for one was pleased with this change, but I just realised that the words were replaced by a number of stars...one set symbolising Jew, the other Arab... cute eh??

This is yet another Federal bright idea designed to infringe on our rights and accomplish little else

Please explain how this will lead to an errosion of our rights

Please explain how this will lead to an errosion of our rights

I think the title says it all.  Remember The Hunt for Red October?  When the Soviet exec asked about living in Montana and driving from state to state "With no Papers?" "no Papers, Vassily".

I think the title says it all. Remember The Hunt for Red October? When the Soviet exec asked about living in Montana and driving from state to state "With no Papers?" "no Papers, Vassily".

not good enough

Someone please tell me descriptively why this will lead us all into cages?

Someone please tell me descriptively why this will lead us all into cages?

Want to take off on a lark and go somewhere just for the fun of it?  No papers, no go.  You must get your travel visas in order first.

That is a big jump from national Cards to State Lock-Down.

That is a big jump from national Cards to State Lock-Down.

Not really. In disaster areas that I have worked, we have often closed off neighborhoods, towns and in one case basically half the county.

In less than a day, we National Guard volunteers created a perimeter that closed every road. Sometimes we closed the area to local residents only, checking IDs of everyone entering, exiting and even once they were inside. If the damage to the homes was bad enough, we shut it down completely. Everyone was evacuated, no one could return. Not even the press.

In those cases it took very few troops. Most people wanted nothing to do with their property during and immediately following the disaster. However, if we could mobilize and create a perimeter with relatively few troops, just think how quickly and completely we could set up "checkpoints" all over the country.

No "papers", you don't get past this checkpoint. Need to travel, go to your local city building and justify to them why you need to travel. If you are travelling out of the state, you need clearance from officials in each state.

This would take less than a day to mobilize. Most of the work in setting it up could be done in secret, nationwide.

Remember, the Berlin Wall went up basically overnight. We wouldn't need to build a wall.

One of the problems is that the state drivers license acts as an essential ID document in so many cases. Show a good looking fake in a different state and you get through without a thought. The real problem comes up when you deal with states that have no enforced restrictions on obtaining a license. The drivers license is essentially used as proof of citizenship. State borders are completely open, and that's a wonderful thing, but it then makes the entire US as secure as the least secure state.

We can spend billions on the Homeland Security Dept and hire tons of security people for airports and all that great stuff, but it is wasted money if we allow a wide open back door to becoming a practical citizen.

This will not eliminate all problems, but through stricter requirements and a uniform look so it should be easier to identify fakes, it's a step towards safety that is not proven to limit freedom or impost controls. All it's doing is taking what is already considered a universal ID/proof of citizenship and making it uniform across the board.

I would welcome the idea for a national ID.

This is America not a 3rd world country, nor Nazi germany.
They can not just pop up an interstate Lock Down.

Christ we can't even properly seal the 2 borders we have now and you are worried about States locking down so people can not leave or enter in the future all because of a National ID?


It sounds like Chicken Little saying the sky is falling

Now that is funny