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Our Rights Are Going Down For The Third Time
Published on May 7, 2005 By MasonM In Current Events
RealID Card legislation has been attached to emergency military spending bills to
ensure its passage. How soon does everyone think this system will be
abused either by the government or by thieves ?

Due to the completely machine-readable/automatic nature of the thing -- you might
not even know you're giving your information away.

From the article:
"Starting three years from now, if you live or work in the United States,
you'll need a federally approved ID card to travel on an airplane, open a
bank account, collect Social Security payments, or take advantage of
nearly any government service. Practically speaking, your driver's
license likely will have to be reissued to meet federal standards.


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on May 09, 2005
This is America not a 3rd world country, nor Nazi germany.
They can not just pop up an interstate Lock Down.


No, we are not "America" we are "The United States of America". Notice that ther is an "S" at the end of the word "State"... We are not a single centralized "state" whose needs are the same everywhere. We are also have this thing called the U.S. Constitution which tells the federal government what is and isn't it's responsibility. Guess what, ID cards are not one of them.

If you think a central government that imposes its will on all within its borders you are living in the wrong country.
on May 09, 2005
One needs to seriously analyse this whole ID card policy and see it for what it is. Think about it people. To get on an airplane in the USA, you need to show a valid picture ID card, most notably the photo driver's license, which is something anyone with a license in America is going to have. When you see how the current driver's license ID card (which has been mandatory for air travel for many years now) is going to be insufficient for identification purposes, it's a clear attempt to government-track and limit the citizens' basic freedoms. The fear of terror and it's big sister terrorism makes the population more likely to give up some freedoms in the hopes of gaining security. Hitler tried it. Stalin tried it, and they were the bad guys who go taught a good hard lesson in people's desire for political freedom. Giving up freedoms is giving in to tyranny. I hope you American citizens will wake up to the fact that more laws and more limits on your own personal freedoms will not give you security. It's funny how silly Americans can be sometimes. They attack terrorism because the terrorists "hate freedom", so they take away some of their own citizens' freedoms and hope the sedated masses don't wake up to the fact that the terrorists' if they really do exist out there, should want to flock to a nation which, while pretending to be acting for freedoms, limits their own citizens' freedoms in doing so. If the 'terrorists' really hate US freedoms, the recent US policy of limiting the taken-for-granted-freedoms of it's own people should be a nice travel industry boom for the 'terrorists' who now bask in the supposed 'unfreedoms' the US has now employed. In other words, if you wish to be taken seriously as a responsible adult, you should see that taking away freedoms to fight an enemy who wishes to take away your freedoms is kind of like losing the war on day one. If you want to show the world you want freedoms in other lands, don't limits freedoms at home.
on May 09, 2005
Glum says "We're all doomed..."

We have a National ID, we can;t leave our house anymore

They tapped my phone, trace my movements.
Monitor what kind of dogfood I use through RFID

I guess I stand alone when i say I would support a National ID.
on May 09, 2005
We are a nation of individual states, each with it's own government and it's own laws and regulations which is what was intended when this country was establish. As long as they don't conflict with the Federal constitution, each state has the right to determine it's own laws and standards. Any time the Federal government imposes itself on these state rights, we lose some measure of freedom.
on May 09, 2005
I guess I stand alone when i say I would support a National ID.


Show me where the Constitution grants the fed the authority to issue ID cards, and I might stand with you. But since it doesn't, and the Constitution clearly states that no authority left ungranted in the Constitution can be assumed by the Federal government, then I will ask you ever so politely to Put Up, or Shut Up. ;~D
on May 09, 2005
Yes - They would use to to standardize Identification in the US
Yes - Does the US need this type of system?
Yes - They would agregate data on who travels where and how often
No - Would they ever impose a National travel ban?
Yes - Is it inevitiable?

Why are we so afraid of being secretly monitored by the Federal Government.

Aren't we the "good guys"?
on May 09, 2005
Why are we so afraid of being secretly monitored by the Federal Government.


Because the US Constitution was written FOR A REASON. If you don't like the Constitution, work to get rid of it, but as long as it remains, at least arguably the supreme law of our land, RESPECT IT!
on May 09, 2005
Aren't we the "good guys"?


No, our government is NOT the "good guys". I, and many others, can attest to that.
on May 09, 2005
The federal govt does a ton of stuff it probably shouldn't be doing if you think about it. I don't even think it's allowed to directly tax the populace. Does it even get to go so far as to impose labor laws, or laws governing the definition of marraige? How about a draft? Doesn't the FBI technically overstep the bounds and jurisdiction of state police?
on May 09, 2005
zoomba,

Yes it does...but just because they HAVE violated the Constitution historically should NOT be a basis for continued violations.
on May 09, 2005
Aren't we the "good guys"?


No, our government is NOT the "good guys". I, and many others, can attest to that.


I mean "We" as in you and me are the people who the government would be monitoring.

I do hear you when you say the Fed is overstepping here on this,
but this is bound to happen, whether it happens in 2 years or 20.
on May 09, 2005
I do hear you when you say the Fed is overstepping here on this,
but this is bound to happen, whether it happens in 2 years or 20.


I agree that it's "bound to happen" because the majority of the people in this country are too stupid to realize that their rights are being eroded away little by little because they think things like "it's for security" and "we're the good guys".

Get real. By the time some people finally realize that their rights are being taken from them right before their eyes they will no longer have the right to speak out against it.

If Immigration did their jobs with regard to foreign nationals entering this country the whole thing would be moot.
on May 10, 2005
IF the national ID card would work to deter terrorists, I would be 100% FOR it. But, you see, it won't. Not unless we have random intercity road checks of civilians, and random searches and seizures without a warrant...in short, the only way we can insure safety from terrorists is to declare martial law and effectively discard the constitution. Better documents will only mean better FORGERS of those documents; you can rest assured that terrorists will monitor checkpoints and run "test" agents through to discover the flaws...remember, this is their PROFESSION. The ONLY people that a national ID stands to hurt are the honest American citizens.

THAT is why I am opposed to the ID. It doesn't solve ANY problems, and in fact, will create a more totalitarian state. There are other reasons, but I can't go into those now.
on May 16, 2005
hmmmm...
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