For the record, in case some of you didn't get it when I mentioned it.

I don't agree with the welfare system as it is now, when it comes to supporting those who won't work or find work. I'm all for a system that helps people help themselves. I don't think we should get rid of it because then we're pretty much screwing those hardworking people who've fallen on hard times for whatever reason.

If someone has had something happen, and they need a little help, by all means give it to them. But, just so long as they show that they're working to get back to where they were, or become stable.

See? Again, I'm not a socialistic/communistic loony.

That would be unemployment insurance (many states pay for 13 weeks), food stamps, WIC, and welfare (in it's intended purpose) and a host of local programs. But the person needs to be responsible too. Set aside money for rough times and have a plan. Many will buy the X-box or plasma TV (or worse alcohol and cigarettes) first without regard for what might happen tomorrow. I don't think anyone on this site would suggest helping someone in trouble is socialist, but helping someone over and over who won't help themselves, to the detriment of people who are productive is.

An interesting counter-argument can be made that the majority of people do not participate in truly productive activity, and that by transporting to work, maintaining those facilities and so forth is counter-productive from an energy input/output standpoint.   There are a massive number of people involved in producing useless objects that create waste during both consumption and production cycles.  Further efficiency losses are found in the massive energy expenditures that are devoted to transactions of this nature.   Planned obsolescence and just-in-time manufacturing are cornerstones of the frenzy of activity to which our country tends to engage itself.  As energy supplies reach increasingly critical mass there are some interesting arguments and potentials for constructively disengaging the work force or redirecting it towards creation of greater utility products and infrastructure.

as mork would say "humor ar! ar! "

Do they tell you where your charity goes nationally?  You are confused again.  I suggest you read Animal farm (not the comic book version).

Ya know Doc, you can be one hell of an asshole. That being said, I've read it, and have it on my bookshelf.

I'm not sure why you are calling Doc names.  He simply suggested a book (not the comic version) that conforms to the similar ideologies you are promoting here. There was no insult there.

Oy Vey!

He insulted my intelligence by including that I should read the real book, and not the comic book version. He's made comments like this before. Granted, I'm name calling, but if someone is being an asshole - I'll call a spade a spade.

AR, take in to consideration CONTEXT here.  Has Doc been pretty respectful in his answers to you?  YES.  Unlike many other here.  I suspect that Doc was only clarifying what he meant. 

I still think you are over reacting here.

Okay, perhaps I am. Still, if he did intend to insult me, it wouldn't be the first time. In fact, why bother mentioning the comic book version? If he assumed I was of at least minimum intelligence, he would've been able to assume I knew what version he meant.

Are you trying to justify your over reaction?

Just thinking outloud about why I think he made the comment. Kind of rolling the thoughts around.

Or maybe assuming the worse in someone?

Nope, like I said: About why I think he made the comment.

Anyways...I had something said to me today by an acquaintaince,"Way I see things is the only people in the entire world you have any obligation to is your children. That's it. Everybody else can figure things out on their own. Makes for a more peaceful life."

Makes sense.

Adios amigo.

So now you are a mind reader?  You didn't even get your assumptions about my comment right (Tell Mommy and Daddy hi) I doubt you can read Doc's mind. 

Continue acting preemptively and you will continue to roam in seclusion.