A bunch of useless crap
Published on July 5, 2006 By MasonM In Religion
I'll start this off by saying that while I consider myself a Christian, I do not belong to any denomination as I believe that the pride, egos, priorities, and personalities of many people have corrupted, splintered, and blurred the focus of the Church over the centuries. Basically, Man's influences have caused a single church to be splintered into many different denominations, each with their own focus, standards, and teachings. I don't believe any of them have got it all right.

I am simply a Christian, nothing more, nothing less, and yes I know I'm a bad Christian because I don't belong to your church or agree with everything it teaches. I can live with that and I feel pretty confident that God can as well. I see a few who call themselves Christians (here and in "real life"), and I don't doubt that they are so, after the fashion of whatever denomination they belong, who are the very types of Christians that are responsible for driving more people away from Christianity than all of the demons of Hell ever could.

What do I mean by this? Well, since you asked, I'll tell you. I don't doubt their intententions at all; I'm sure they sincerely mean well. But their attitude, approach, or demeanor leaves a lot to be desired.

Some seem to forget that they are communicating with human beings, or that they themselves are human beings. Those people come across as less than real people. Here's a hint for these folks: real people have a wide variety of interests and in order to communicate with them you can't simply bleat the same message over and over again. It get's tiring to the point that they would rather chase you away with clubs than hear it yet one more time. Get a personality; develop other interests and share them. Show a sincere interest in what others are interested in.

Some come across as pious, selfrighteous bores. They spend far too much time talking about what they do right or what others do wrong, and it's usually far more of the former. Jesus thought very poorly of the Hypocrites because they spent all of their time in public displays of just how righteous they thought they were. One of the greatest characteristics of a Christian is, in my opinion, humility.

Some can't seem to converse with anyone about anything without bringing religion into the conversation. I don't think they truly understand just how much of a put off this really is for most people and is probably one of the greatest things that drives people running and screaming away from Christianity or religion in general. Hey folks, if this is you then you should know that this makes you appear to be a brainwashed, mindless drone who can't function outside of your religion. Shut up already! I believe it was St. Francis of Assisi who said "Preach the Gospel at all times and if necessary, use words". This was meant to be a very important piece of advice. Live it, don't talk about it. I once hired a guy for a short time. Nice enough guy but he couldn't converse with anyone without bringing up God, Jesus, or some other religious reference. I had warned him a couple of times to not talk about religion to the customers, it was a place of business and we had all manner of customers. Well, he finally blew it when he asked a Jewish customer something along the lines of "But you trust in Jesus, right?". The customer was offended, and I fired him on the spot. It's called a time and place for everything, try to take this one to heart unless you are simply determined to chase as many people as possible away from Christianity.

Some are quite aggressive and resort to attacking others. What gives here? This is anything but Christian behavior. Galations 5:22-23 says "...the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law". Funny, I don't see the words "attack", "aggressiveness", or "combative" here anywhere. Maybe I missed that part. I enjoy a good debate as much as the next person, but I try to stick to useful tools like facts, logic, humor, and reason. I also debate as a human being, not as a Christian. Do I debate relgious ideas? Sure I do, but I do so as a human being, not as a Christian. If you don't quite understand the difference or the point I'm making here then perhaps you should start reading this article all over again from the beginning.

Ok, now for a few small tips. Do with them what you will (or won't).

1. Communicate with people on their level (lesson from Paul here folks). Don't start quoting scriptures to non-Christians, it's both a waste of time and very,very annoying. Try speaking in human terms for a change.

2. Never, under any circumstances, tell someone "I'm telling you this out of love" and then begin telling them all of the things you think they are doing wrong in their lives. Personally, if I were in their shoes, I'd smack ya a good one and walk off. I know I certainly wouldn't listen. It's human nature. Besides, it just makes you sound like a selfrighteous ass.

3. Try holding a few conversations with people every day, either online or in real life, without bringing up religion at all. It may be hard at first but if you keep trying you may actually start coming across as a real human being for a change.

4. If you are concerned about someone's soul, pray for them. Don't tell them you are going to pray for them, that's offensive as hell whether you believe it or not, just do it and keep your comments to yourself.

5. Try spending some time hanging out where non-Christians hang out. Go out to a local bar or whatever. I know, many of you wouldn't be caught dead in a place like that. Why? Just who do you think Jesus spent most of his time hanging out with? It's right there in Matthew if you care to read it. He was accused of being a drunkard and all sorts of nasty things because of the places He hung out and the people He spent time with. If it's good enough for Jesus, why isn't it good enough for you? Guess what? That's where the sinners are! Or are you more comfortable hanging with the choir? Or maybe you're afraid of what others will think of you just as the Hypocrites were? Hmmmmm?

6. Study other religions and philosophies. You'd be surprised how much you can learn from them and how much many of them have in common with each other and with Christianity. It may help you understand people better. Just do it with an open mind.

7. Get a sense of humor already. God never meant for us to be so damned serious all the time. Even He has a sense of humor; look at the platypus for crying out loud. Or better yet, look in the mirror as that's a great place for anyone to find something to laugh at.

The key here is to try and be someone people would actually like and want to emulate, not some annoyingly mindless drone who has no other life outside of their religion (God never meant for us to live that way anyhow). People do not want to emulate those who annoy them. Get it?

OK, I'm done now. I've been wanting to write this for literally a couple of years now. It's off my chest so you may go back to whatever you were doing.







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on Jul 05, 2006
Mason, if I credited you, would you mind if I shared this with people outside of JU? LOL, this DESERVES to be a wide-spread email forward.

Really, really great article. I hope it gets featured.
on Jul 05, 2006
#1 by Texas Wahine
Wed, July 05, 2006 10:58 PM



[Texas Wahine]
Mason, if I credited you, would you mind if I shared this with people outside of JU? LOL, this DESERVES to be a wide-spread email forward.

Really, really great article. I hope it gets featured.


Thanks very much Tex. I'm flattered. I don't think it's all that great, just a rant with a slight splash of my slightly twisted sense of humor, but in answer to your question, no I don't mind.
on Jul 05, 2006

,  good one Mason!  something for every single one of us,  whether it's about religion or just how to "be" in the world!

Go back to what I was doing??  awwwwwwwwww

surfing....

 

on Jul 06, 2006
What's funny is that although I'm sure some people would claim that I'm one of those people you speak of, I agree with all of your tips and definitely practice them.
I do agree with many of your points, although I think that Christians also try too hard trying to please others that they end up demonizing Jesus Himself forgetting that He was quite vicious to the pharisees. I'm sure they thought He was self-righteous and pompous. They certainly thought Him offensive. In fact, people often act as if only the fundies would be offended by Jesus today. I'm sure the more liberal type would be offended as well and would team up with the fundies (including the non-Christian ones) to have him crucified.
Actually though, I don't think either would crucify Him, but they'd certainly both go: "Jesus, you need to be more like us true Christians."
on Jul 06, 2006
So a Christian walks into a bar to be with "sinners"....but he can't talk about Christ...hahahahaha.

Sorry that sounds like one of those "a man walks into a bar" kinda jokes.

Seriously though, I agree with most of what you say here Mason. I don't care if people talk about God all the time...as long as they are speaking specifically about what He is doing in their life. That leaves no room for argument, or interpretation and all the hairy things people fight over.

Having someone say, "I was getting worried about my son being away from home. I prayed about it and then the next day in my reading I saw the verse "Be Still and know that I am God." and I felt so much better."

To me that is just as acceptable as someone saying "I was getting worried about my son being away from home. So I ran 5 miles, ate some ice cream and felt soooo much better!"

The reason I point this out is because when someone is talking with God constantly in their head and seeking His face.....it will bleed over into their conversation a lot.

Just think if you spent 24/7 with another person...how hard it would be to talk to anyone else without mentioning your significant other....and as the years pass how much harder...hahah. Every significant event, every occasion, would involve that other person.

Does that make sense?

But I agree it is pointless to evangelize people who don't want to hear it. We are to be ready with our testimony/witness whatever you want to call it when asked...or when compelled by the HS to speak.

God brings people to Him with open arms....not a baseball bat.
on Jul 06, 2006

What's funny is that although I'm sure some people would claim that I'm one of those people you speak of, I agree with all of your tips and definitely practice them

No, you THINK that you practice them.    To me (and I'm sure I'm not alone) you ARE one of the people Mason's talking about.  You and KFC are both prime examples of pharisees in my book.  You both crow about what you do: "look what I did just so's I'd be pleasing to god!  I'm following ALL of his rules!!!!!!!!!!!!"  and I find it insufferably sickening.

It's christians like you that drove me away from the church and then from christianity. 

Sorry Mason, but I've been wanting to say that for weeks.

on Jul 06, 2006
I really enjoyed this article. My parents and I often have this discussion and I can say that for a long period of time I was guilty of doing all those things. (gotta love being raised in the church) but I think that I've grown. I still have sel-righteous (sp) indignant moments but I'm working on it. I realize that not everyone wants to hear what I believe and there's no reason to throw it in their face. I think I can believe and set an exaple without bringing God into everything. I used to hate it when my mom would listen to a song or watch a movie and say "this song is so spiritual" or "these must be christian singers" or "look at the message in this song" I would just roll my eyes (and I still do) or when she'd bring up the bible and what it said in EVERY conversation... but she's gotten better, and that has been good for me and everyone else

so.... very well written as most of your articles are.
on Jul 06, 2006
I really don't see what KFC has said or done to bring that kind of venom, dharma. She's promoted creationism pretty hard, but other than that has there been anything else? Satan's Advocate there, I can see. It's one thing to post an article that says people are shallow if they don't understand the Bible, but I'm not seeing much from KFC that warrants calling her a pharisee.

The times I used the term I was pointing out the folly of considering one's own interpretation of the Bible to be more reliable than one's eyes, ears, and mind. That doesn't mean I think she's a pharisee, though, just that if we aren't careful our beliefs about reality can be more authoritative to us than reality.
on Jul 06, 2006
M, great, great article! I particularly liked #7! Don't worry, I don't belong to a particular denomination anymore myself, it's not a crime if you don't! If you're a Christian, it doesn't matter where you are or where you go in my book. It's who you are as an individual and knowing yourself that's key. Too many people take the good book too literal.
on Jul 06, 2006
terrific article mason, sounds like good set of living standards for EVERYONE to follow.
on Jul 06, 2006

I realize that not everyone wants to hear what I believe and there's no reason to throw it in their face.

This is at the heart of love isn't it?  

Very wise woman!

on Jul 06, 2006

I used to hate it when my mom would listen to a song or watch a movie and say "this song is so spiritual" or "these must be christian singers" or "look at the message in this song" I would just roll my eyes (and I still do) or when she'd bring up the bible and what it said in EVERY conversation

HAHAHAHA.

But you are her child and she was being obedient to God in doing that...We are commanded to teach our children in the ways they should go....and to discuss the wisdom in scripture when getting up, when laying down, when walking down the street....so she was doing her job.

Maybe she's "better" because you are grown now?

Anyway, I chuckled when I read that....and wondered if my boys are gonna make the same complaints.

on Jul 06, 2006
I'm not seeing much from KFC that warrants calling her a pharisee.


Did you read the article where she proudly proclaimed that her kid slept on the sidewalk rather than sleep in the same room as his girlfriend? I did. How about the one where she said that her son had been saved from death in a car accident because god has a plan for him? I read that one too.

I find that the people who espouse TRUE christianity are the ones who go about it quietly, who walk the walk rather than talk the talk. ParaTed, for example. Gideon for another example. BlueDev and his brother. Those guys are the real McCoy, imo. They don't wave their faith in other people's faces, they don't loudly proclaim to be this and that and the other. They go about their business quietly - but if you ask them, they'll tell you. Ted and I have spent hours talking about faith and god and the love that only comes with knowledge of god and the divine. Does he continually blog about how holy he is, about what a devout mormon he is? No. He might mention it every once in a while, but even then it's not in a 'look what I'm doing for god! See me being a christian!' way.

Sometimes it's all about perception, Baker. Unfortunately, I'm not the only person who percieves this about some of the Christians here, KFC and Penultimate being two of the worst offenders.
on Jul 06, 2006
"Did you read the article where she proudly proclaimed that her kid slept on the sidewalk rather than sleep in the same room as his girlfriend? I did. How about the one where she said that her son had been saved from death in a car accident because god has a plan for him? I read that one too. "


Eh, no offense, but the pharisees weren't villains because they stated their beliefs openly. If she believes her son did the right thing by sleeping on the sidewalk or that his life was spared because of God, she has the right to openly state her beliefs. You differ with those beliefs, granted, but you differ with many of mine, too. Am I a pharisee for blogging on them?

No, the difference is a pharisee would go around telling people they'd better get 'right' or God won't spare THEIR lives the next time they are in an accident. A pharisee would spend their time worried about other people's sons instead of praising their own. I don't think either example really demonstrates a bad attitude, though I do differ with the beliefs.

I think part of your problem with this is the venue, dharma. These are blogs, not conversations or tv advertisements. We all write our personal feelings down here, and express who we are as much for ourselves as anyone else. I don't believe for a second that a Christian, however fervent, is any less of a Christian for stating their beliefs openly.

Where MasonM's article comes into play is how people interact with others. Is she coming to your blog and comaring her kids to yours? Is she offering to the world how their lives could be better if everyone was as holy as she is? I'm just not seeing KFC judging other people the way you are portraying her to be.

You talk a lot about your work helping people. How would it make you feel if I were to say "Hey, for God's sake, shut up. We all know you are a saint, get over it!" I would never do that, because I understand the context of your blog, why we do what we do, and basically because of the fact that I believe that you are what you project.

I don't think any of us has any place saying that beliefs should be held close to one's vest. We all constantly impose our beliefs on the world through our blogs, whether they be moral, political, whatever. To say that people who are very religious had better not do that is hypocritical, frankly.

If you see someone who doesn't 'walk the walk', fine, call them on it, but there's no reason to tell them they can't 'talk the talk' when we can't shut up. The fact that we aren't religious shouldn't give us more freedom to express ourselves, should it?
on Jul 06, 2006

Mason, interesting article.  You have a debate going on.  I will just be a spectator.

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