A bunch of useless crap
Published on April 22, 2008 By MasonM In Pure Technology

I've been watching a program called Crude on the History Channel. It's the first truly realistic scientific examination of the planetary greenhouse effect that I have seen. It was quite compelling and made far more sense than most of the propaganda pieces out there today.

Scientists compared data from fairly diverse fields of study. They compared past mass extinctions, formation of oil and coal deposits, past climate data extrapolated from both fossil and geologic records, and past CO2 levels.

The CO2 levels could be extrapolated from fossil records of the leaves of ancient plants. The more CO2 there is in the atmosphere, the fewer pores the leaves need to have. These examinations showed that at the times of past mass extinctions and laying the base matter for the formation of oil and coal the CO2 levels were at least 4-5 times higher than present and at some points some 600 million years ago as much as 10 times present levels. Most of this CO2 came from the massive volcanoes that existed all over the globe at the time.

At each of these periods of high CO2, carbon life on the planet was flourishing until the planet warmed to the point that the ice would have melted at the poles and disrupted the thermal currents that keep the oceans flowing and churning. At this point the oceans would become stagnant and anoxic as oxygen levels decreased and sulphate levels increased.

These anoxic periods are supported by fossil records showing sedimate layers where phototrophic purple sulphur bacteria levels increased a great deal, and coincide with both mass extinctions and mass carbon deposits which later formed coal and oil.

Periods of the so-called super greenhouse periods seem to be a natural part of the planet's cycle and can take millions of years to develop. Where some concern is coming from now among the legitimate scientific community (as opposed to the knee jerk panic propogandists) is that our burning of massive amounts of this previously killed off and buried carbon life is speeding up the natural process.


Most of this makes sense and answers many questions including what happened to the dinosaurs. One thing they brought up which creates some unanswered questions is that they said that the killing off and burying of massive amounts of carbon life "resets the planet's thermostat" and cools the planet again. Ummm, if the CO2 was coming from mass volcanic activity how exactly does this work?

That single question seems to be the big hole in the whole theory. If this super greenhouse effect was caused by volcanoes how does the extinction of life counter this? It simply doesn't make sense.

Overall though, these people did a great job of objectively looking at this subject and do present some very solid evidence from a great many different fields of study that seem to support the general idea that while this global greenhouse effect does seem to be a part of the natural cycle of things, we could very well be speeding things up by burning the carbon left over from past events and pumping it back into the atmosphere.

Perhaps we are indeed taking the place of the ancient volcanoes. While our current CO2 levels are still 4-5  times below what was needed to trigger these past global events, it may serve us well to ensure that we don't speed up a process that should take millions of years and compress it into just a few hundred.

I give these people credit for producing a logical, fact based treatise on the subject without any fear mongering or cries of impending doom. We are nowhere near the brink of global disaster as some would like us to believe, but without some serious examination of our wanton burning of carbon we could well take ourselves there over the course of the next century or two instead of the millions of years it's supposed to naturally take.

 


Comments
on Apr 22, 2008
That is what is sadly lacking in the new religion - "logical, fact based treatise on the subject".

But it does more for the people warning against the new religion than those who profess it. If indeed the problem is upcoming, then the radical proposals are not necessary and potentially harmful. Long before we pumped enough CO2 into the atmosphere, we would be dead from pollution.
on Apr 22, 2008
We are nowhere near the brink of global disaster as some would like us to believe, but without some serious examination of our wanton burning of carbon we could well take ourselves there over the course of the next century or two instead of the millions of years it's supposed to naturally take.


Kudos for this.

~Zoo
on Apr 23, 2008
That is what is sadly lacking in the new religion - "logical, fact based treatise on the subject".But it does more for the people warning against the new religion than those who profess it. If indeed the problem is upcoming, then the radical proposals are not necessary and potentially harmful. Long before we pumped enough CO2 into the atmosphere, we would be dead from pollution.


Yeah, the panic mongers probably do much more harm than good. It was a very good look at the topic from a purely scientific standpoint. They did a lot to put the issue into prospective. After watching the program I had to conclude, based upon the scientific evidence, that perhaps we are causing an acceleration of the natural cycle and that we should look at ways to scale down our impact.

Hardly an "act now or die" situation, but I think we're on the right track by trying to reduce our negative impact on the planet.
on Apr 23, 2008
We are nowhere near the brink of global disaster as some would like us to believe, but without some serious examination of our wanton burning of carbon we could well take ourselves there over the course of the next century or two instead of the millions of years it's supposed to naturally take.Kudos for this. ~Zoo


Thanks. I'm not an advocate of the fear mongering 'science' that many subscribe to today, but I do believe that mankind has a talent for fucking things up and that perhaps we should try to get our collective act together and try to reduce our damage to the planet. I don't believe that we need to take radical steps to avoid the supposed disaster that's coming next week, but we should be trying to scale down our impact by looking into better ways of doing things.

Perhaps we could start by refusing to buy Big Macs. No way those damn things could do good for anything.
on Apr 23, 2008
Perhaps we could start by refusing to buy Big Macs. No way those damn things could do good for anything.


After raising 4 kids throughthe Ronald McDonald phase, I am already boycotting them!
on Apr 23, 2008
After raising 4 kids throughthe Ronald McDonald phase, I am already boycotting them!


Good move.
on Apr 23, 2008
Thanks. I'm not an advocate of the fear mongering 'science' that many subscribe to today, but I do believe that mankind has a talent for fucking things up and that perhaps we should try to get our collective act together and try to reduce our damage to the planet.


Very eloquently put and exactly how I think we should be reacting. Good article, mate.
on Apr 25, 2008
We are nowhere near the brink of global disaster as some would like us to believe, but without some serious examination of our wanton burning of carbon we could well take ourselves there over the course of the next century or two instead of the millions of years it's supposed to naturally take.


Given the uppermost point you allow, two centuries, global disaster is still very near. In the same time that America rose from squalor to prominence, the whole world will fall from natural splendor to ruin.
on Apr 26, 2008
Very eloquently put and exactly how I think we should be reacting. Good article, mate.


Thanks. While I don't believe we're near disaster I do think we should be more responsible.
on Apr 26, 2008
Given the uppermost point you allow, two centuries, global disaster is still very near. In the same time that America rose from squalor to prominence, the whole world will fall from natural splendor to ruin.


I actually believe we are much further from the disaster than this program demonstrated. Personally I think it would take more like a thousand years, not a couple of hundred, but the idea is still the same. We need to start thinking more about our impact than we have in the past. I just don't buy into the whole the sky is falling mentality.