A bunch of useless crap
Published on November 27, 2006 By MasonM In Misc
I've been surfing the net as I have a habit of doing, and came across an English Islamic forum. It makes for some interesting and somewhat educational reading. Of particular note were some of the forum rules, which I am listing here.

02- Posting in gender room by someone with a wrong or no gender icon: disable 5

03- Posting anti-Islamic link or offensive content: disable 10 + trash

05- Posting profane words: warn + edit post

06- Supporting un-Islamic Behavior: disable 10

07- Questioning rules, or mod's action, in public: disable 10
08- Oppose rule or show disrespect to an IF official: disable 10
09- protesting an action in public: repeat. If its another member: disable 10
10- Bad Usernames: report to admin to change
11- Signatures violating any of our conditions: disable 5

12- Violent or Sect related signatures: disable 5 + delete sig

13- Sect topic: multi-moderation: 'Close a Sect Topic'+(if repeated) disable 10

17- Covered faces (icon or sig): remove + warn

18- supporting any civilian killings: edit post + disable 10

22- insult Allah/Prophet/Islam/scholar/member: disable 10

24- preach another faith: warn

26- jihad or tawassul discussions: warn+edit (disable 5 if repeated)

27- posting a sect-related reply: warn+multi-mod+edit (if repeated disable 5)

29- Spamming or Missionary posting: delete + disable 10

32- posting what wrongfully gives Islam a bad name: disable 10

33- discriminating based on race, religion, nationality: warn, if repeated disable 5

34- supporting cult/sectarian ideas: disable 10

40- non-Muslims showing no interest in learning about Islam, or consistently attacking Muslims/Islam: warn within first 30 posts, disable at 50 posts

Some additional rules:

does not welcome debates with other faiths, ideologies or philosophies but rather we will inform you what Islam has to offer you. Briefly what this means is: you are not here to proselytize your belief system.

No postings of military uniforms, aircraft's, tanks, weapons of nations that has harmed Islam and are responsible for the deaths of many Muslims in their icon settings, signature or forum postings. Equally this applies to our Muslim brothers and sisters. Since our goal is to establish Islam in a peaceful manner, images as such maybe interpreted as a violent call.

Killing civilians of any race, nationality, or religion, irrespective of its cause, is absolutely prohibited in Islam. Therefore, praising the killing of any civilian, arguing in favor of, or providing any links to such arguments are strictly not allowed. Violators will be banned immediately without delay.

Supporting zionism, occupations and imperialism are not allowed.

I especially liked this one : Non-Muslims and disbelievers are welcomed to join IF, only if their intentions are to explore and learn about real Islam. We have the tools and ability to judge who's sincere, and who is an enemy of Islam.


Every forum has rules, but good grief! It looks like the folks running the forum are trying to go out of their way to put a good face on Islam for whomever might visit the site. The fact that they actually need some of these rules regarding jihad and sectarian posts really says a lot.

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on Nov 28, 2006
Reply #15
"Yep, I've seen some of those. But I don't think I've ever seen one that needed to have rules against certain sects of their religion who promote violence."


Visited may anti-abortion sites? Get a heated discussion going about homosexuality on a Christian site and sit back and wait, as well. You'd be surprised the bent some of these Phelps-esque Christians can have.


No, I haven't. Perhaps you're right. I don't normally frequent such sites so perhaps that's why I found the rules on this one to be so unusual.
on Nov 28, 2006
Reply #14
These rules are no worse than any other number of forums I've seen. I don't think it's because they're Islam, I think it's just that they're strict on staying on a set topic.


Could be.
on Nov 28, 2006
My point was that in establishing some of their rules they are in a round about way acknowledging the fact that sects and violence are a problem within Islam despite the claims of some to the contrary.


I got your point. Rules are rules but when you have to get specific about the sort of violent speak you do not want, that says something. Here at JU the rules are simple. All violent speak is just not allowed.

Although, I think is says more about the culture than it does the site. We acknowledge that you exist but refuse to allow you to express your views here. Sounds just like we know you exist but you're not our problem.
on Nov 28, 2006

One of the things that you find is that even those who are educated and living in Western countries still agree that insulting God, Mohamed, or Islam is deserving of the death penalty under Divine Law.


Yes, perhaps. And maybe they are right. And maybe I believe the same thing.

But do they believe that G-d will punish these sinners as He pleases or do they think that the punishment must be accelerated without further divine input? How loyal are they to G-d?

on Nov 28, 2006
But do they believe that G-d will punish these sinners as He pleases or do they think that the punishment must be accelerated without further divine input? How loyal are they to G-d?


They believe the person should be executed, but that's where it got interesting. They state that by punishing a person in this life (in this case lashing and execution) it removes their sin so that they won't receive a worse punishment from God in the next life. In their ideology they seem to believe that they are actually doing the person a favor by executing them.

on Nov 29, 2006

They state that by punishing a person in this life (in this case lashing and execution) it removes their sin so that they won't receive a worse punishment from God in the next life.


That would be forcing G-d's hand. They are basically saying that THEY can punish and G-d later WON'T.

I don't think that will work. That is, I don't believe it.

If G-d really wanted somebody executed, then I am sure G-d could execute that person. In reality, I believe, G-d leaves these things pretty much to us, which is why all laws we can punish for violating must be man-made. G-d's laws do exist, I believe, but no man has the authority to enforce them. Only G-d does.

on Nov 29, 2006

They state that by punishing a person in this life (in this case lashing and execution) it removes their sin so that they won't receive a worse punishment from God in the next life.



That would be forcing G-d's hand. They are basically saying that THEY can punish and G-d later WON'T.

I don't think that will work. That is, I don't believe it.

And kind of arrogant if you think about it.  Man pulling the strings on God.  BOY, talk about Omnipotence!

on Nov 29, 2006

And kind of arrogant if you think about it.


Of course it's arrogant.

That's the point. These people are not devout beliefers, they are arrogant. They believe G-d is their servant. They believe supernatural forces can be bend to do their will. They are anti-religious, anti-scientific, and anti-humanist.

on Nov 29, 2006
They believe G-d is their servant. They believe supernatural forces can be bend to do their will


I'm not so sure that I agree with that. I think that they believe they are doing God's will according to what they've been taught. It does seem somewhat twisted though.
on Nov 30, 2006

I'm not so sure that I agree with that. I think that they believe they are doing God's will according to what they've been taught.


They appear to believe in a god that does not have the power or will to punish people.
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