ACLU Hypocrits

Published on May 25, 2006 By MasonM In Politics

The ACLU, who have always claimed to stand primarily for freedom of speech, have finally proven themselves for the hypocrits that they are. I first heard this story on XM Satellite radio.

As reported in the New York Times, the ACLU is considering a new policy in which its board members would be prohibited from publicly criticizing ACLU policies and internal administration.

"You sure that didn't come out of Dick Cheney.s office?" former ACLU board member Nat Hentoff asked. "For the national board to consider promulgating a gag order on its members -- I can't think of anything more contrary to the reason the ACLU exists."

I guess they believe in freedom of speech as long as it doesn't hurt their donations.

Comments (Page 1)

Gideon MacLeish

on May 25, 2006

Glad I don't have an ACLU membership! I'd be making myself permanently ineligible for the board REAL SOON!

Moderateman

on May 25, 2006

I rank the ACLU as much more dangerour than hamas, not as much danger as al queda.

stutefish

on May 25, 2006

Oh, come on!

Hamas is explicitly dedicated to genocide and theocratic oppression. And it's their policy to kill people who oppose their views.

The ACLU, on the other hand struggles imperfectly to make the world a better place. True, their current behavior is abysmal, but they're a far cry from a gang of murdering thugs.

bakerstreet

on May 25, 2006

Yes, stutefish, but Hamas has no hope of changing the US to their ideal. The ACLU, on the other hand, has the ability to make very tangible change here, and changes that are often destructively based more on ideals than reality. Hamas will never be able to shove their agenda down my throat, bombs or not. The ACLU does it constantly.

Gideon MacLeish

on May 26, 2006

The ACLU, on the other hand struggles imperfectly to make the world a better place. True, their current behavior is abysmal, but they're a far cry from a gang of murdering thugs.

Yeah, right. Then why will the ACLU NOT take the case of the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Americans per year whose children are seized without warrants or due process? Why will they not defend the right of the Christian child to gather in student led prayer groups on campus? The ACLU routinely REJECTS genuine civil liberties cases in order to advance a dangerous agenda.

Dynosoar

on May 26, 2006

Bunch of damn lawyers.....tis the reason I still haven't joined the Bar........

Moderateman

on May 26, 2006

Moderateman

on May 26, 2006

Oh, come on!

Hamas is explicitly dedicated to genocide and theocratic oppression. And it's their policy to kill people who oppose their views.

The Aclu is explicitely dedicated to kill all judeo'christian values. And it's their policy to SUE people that oppose their views.

stutefish

on May 26, 2006

I see. The ACLU is more of a threat to America than Hamas is. Fair enough, as far as it goes.

I still think it's a mistake to equate an organization that works to change society through public discourse and the legal system set up for that purpose, with an organization that works to change society by murdering anybody who opposes their changes.

And I think it's a mistake to equate them with murderers simply because they haven't joined your pet crusade.

Let's take a little detour into the land of Gideon MacLeish:

Gideon, because you have continued to ignore the terrible facts about modern-day slavery, and all the people who are horribly damaged by it every day, I am quite comfortable saying that you might as well be in Palestine right now, slaughtering Jewish children on schoolbuses. In fact, you're nothing more than a thug, a terrorist, and a murderer. You believe your god's justice comes out of the barrel of your gun, and you can imagine no better death than one that takes as many others with you as possible. You're almost as bad as the ACLU.

See how that works? That's exactly the kind of logic, and exactly the kind of rhetoric, that distinguishes moonbats from sane people. I really wish you would all reconsider using it to make your point.

Gideon MacLeish

on May 27, 2006

See how that works? That's exactly the kind of logic, and exactly the kind of rhetoric, that distinguishes moonbats from sane people. I really wish you would all reconsider using it to make your point.

Stute,

No, I did not use that rhetoric to make my point. I have DOCUMENTED cases where children have been seized from their families without due process, without a warrant, and families' lives turned upside down...and the ACLU has absolutely refused to take their case because they don't handle "custody" issues. I did not use the Hamas or the al Qaeda comparison, so for you to call it a "detour into the land of Gideon MacLeish" is HIGHLY misleading and offensive. I can document every charge I have ever laid against the ACLU, and in fact, I have done so on this blog. Because of your flame response to my quite legitimate concerns about the ACLU, consider yourself on my blacklist. I'll deal with this stuff on someone else's blog, but I will make damn sure you don't carry it onto mine.

Gideon MacLeish

on May 27, 2006

And I think it's a mistake to equate them with murderers simply because they haven't joined your pet crusade.

1. I didn't equate them with murderers, stute.

2. THE BILL OF RIGHTS IS HARDLY A "PET CRUSADE"; especially for an organization that professes itself to be a DEFENDER OF THOSE RIGHTS!

Gideon MacLeish

on May 27, 2006

Dangerous organizations, both, but I'll take being sued or being forced to take down a nativity scene at city hall over being blown to bits any day.

I'll give you that, LW.

Moderateman

on May 27, 2006

12 by little-whip
Sat, May 27, 2006 0:24 PM

Dangerous organizations, both, but I'll take being sued or being forced to take down a nativity scene at city hall over being blown to bits any day.

so will I whip, but.. the ACLU has been slowly eroding the fabric of America under the guise of a do gooder, I mean for gods sake they went after the boy scouts and won, the have made cities take a very small unobtrusive cross off their city coat of arms, they have done more to take away from Americana than the terrorist do, after all the terrorist just want to kill you, where as the ACLU is slowly, insidiously hollowing out the core beliefs that make America uniquely, well.. AMERICA!

bakerstreet

on May 27, 2006

"Dangerous organizations, both, but I'll take being sued or being forced to take down a nativity scene at city hall over being blown to bits any day."

I'd prefer bombs. When the bad guys are trying to kill you, people act. People recognize them as bad guys. When people eat away at your freedom a little at a time no one notices until there's not much you can do about it.

The ACLU promotes a subjective set of ideals in direct opposition to other people's subjective ideals. They don't recognize them as subjective, though. To them it is self-evident that sexual preference or criminal background should be alongside race in terms of forcing people not to discriminate.

Why? Because to the ACLU discrimination is bad, period. That kind of blind idealism is as destructive as a bomb. Look at the effect it is having on France in terms of labor. They would prefer to tolerate a useless worker than to go to the trouble of firing them and dealing with the accusations.

A bomb might kill a hundred, or a thousand, but millions suffer under such oppression. Everyone discriminates. Granted, there is good discrimination and bad discrimination, but the ACLU can sit and whittle away at our right to make our decisions on and on until the best we will be able to do is flip a coin.

Any organization fighting to prevent the government from registering sex offenders isn't working in our interest. The idea that I wouldn't be allowed to check public records to find out if my neighbor is a child molestor is heinous, and far more destructive than a bomb, imho. The ACLU isn't about protecting us, they are all about causing us greater threats in the name of hollow ideals.

drmiler

on May 27, 2006

Anyone want to bet the ACLU won't touch this?

Keep 'America' in Michigan schools

State bureaucrats want to do what Stalin, Osama could only dream about

Michael Warren

What a state social studies consultant is telling educators in e-mails about using "America" and "Americans" in tests and courses:

"I have promised teachers that we would delete the use of American [when we are really ONLY referring to the United States] from the GLCEs (grade level content expectations) so that everything is consistent and correct as soon as it was feasible."

"It is ethnocentric for the United States to claim the entire hemisphere."
-- Karen Todorov, Michigan Department of Education

Censoring the word "America" from our own schools is something Josef Stalin, Adolf Hitler and Osama bin Laden would never have thought possible. Michigan has done it without a whimper.

In perhaps a well-intentioned, but pernicious example of political correctness, the Michigan Department of Education is attempting to ban the "America" and "American" from our public schools. Even though the word "America" appears in the department's own civics and government benchmarks, the department's style protocol for the Michigan Education Assessment Program requires that "America" and "Americans" be expunged from our testing and grade level expectations. Last week, the department ordered that our hard-working teachers not utter the words.

We're all 'North Americans'

The Department of Education asserts that "Americans" includes Mexicans, Canadians and others in the Western Hemisphere, so referring to U.S. residents as Americans is inappropriate. In the department's view, "America" happens to include South, Central and North America. Accordingly, when referring to the colonial period, the state bureaucracy requires teachers to refer to "the colonies of North America" or "North Americans." After the American Revolution, the nation is called the United States (not of America).

The state's edict would be laughable if it were not so disgraceful. Instead of focusing on better teaching methods and educational resources to help our hard-working teachers and parents, the Department of Education spends its energy on confusing, misleading, historically inaccurate and counterproductive wordplay.

One can only imagine how teachers struggle to meet the semantic dictates of an educational bureaucracy gone awry. According to the department, before the American Revolution, George Washington, John Adams and Thomas Jefferson were North Americans. But so were the French colonists in the Louisiana Territory, the Spanish settlers in Mexico and the British colonists in Canada -- not to mention the Native Americans.

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