A bunch of useless crap
Published on July 7, 2005 By MasonM In Current Events
The Muslim terrorists success in attacking and murdering innocent people depends upon countries allowing them free access to their societies. They travel freely from one country to the other, often using forged documents. They count on the "fairness" of other nations who are loathe to openly ban Arabic/Muslim peoples from their country for fear of being seen as bigoted and unfair.

This is an enemy who relies upon our unwillingness to single out a group of people, or take any sort of negative action against a group of people. This is a security weakness in the name of conscience that they exploit openly. We allow the enemy to live among us. Are all Arabic/Muslim people terrorists? Obviously the answer is no, they aren't.

But, how do we tell who is who? How can we be reasonably certain the Arab/Muslim that lives in our town is not a terrorist just waiting for the order to kill and maim us? The truth is, we can't. We have no reasonable way of knowing the terrorist from the peaceful person until it is too late.

We are at war. Not just the U.S., but all Western nations. The enemy has demonstrated again and again that they care nothing about innocent life and rely upon our sense of fair play to make their attacks possible. It's time to throw away this sense of fairness. Every Western nation should immediately begin deporting all Arab/Muslim peoples in their midst and send them back to what ever little sandbox they came from. It is the only way to know for certain that the enemy is not among us.

They should be denied entry into our countries. They should not be allowed to travel outside their own little group of sandboxes. Their borders should be heavily patroled and guarded to make sure they stay put. Satellites should be trained upon them 24/7 to make sure they aren't moving out of their sandbox for any reason. Anything that crosses the line should be immediately bombed out of existence. They should be totally isolated from the rest of the world. Perhaps then they might begin to deal with their problem themselves. They should be the ones to ferret out these extremists and deal with them. A cleric preaches hate and death? They should execute him and those who follow him. A suspected terrorist group member in their neighborhood? They should be the ones to kill him.

These would be extreme measures, but if these people are denied travel and access to our cities, they will he hard pressed to cause death and detruction. It's time for the nations of the world to stand together and say "We've had enough!". And mean it.

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on Jul 07, 2005
You would have to check the law on exportation of people holding visas or work passes.

Also then what if they are only 1/2 Arab or 1/4 Arab?

IG
on Jul 07, 2005
You would have to check the law on exportation of people holding visas or work passes.

Also then what if they are only 1/2 Arab or 1/4 Arab?

"What if" can be carried on ad nauseum.
on Jul 07, 2005
I am just pointing out that this road has been traveled before, many times. It must be walked carefully.

IG
on Jul 07, 2005
"What if" can be carried on ad nauseum.


Hey, you opened the "what if" can.
on Jul 07, 2005
I am just pointing out that this road has been traveled before, many times. It must be walked carefully.

I don't know, it sounds more like your in the group that believes that doing nothing will somehow make the problem go away. I didn't say it was a good thing to do. But it would remove the enemy from among our cities.

This is a serious problem and it won't go away by sitting back and just hoping they will somehow get bored, take their toys and go home.
on Jul 07, 2005

Yeah, geography.

Unless they start policing themselves, it will come to pass.  Not because it is right, but because society will demand it.  Unlike the Japanese, the innocents today have a chance and a choice to step in and stop it.  If they fail, it is their fault, and perhaps human nature.

on Jul 07, 2005
No nation is going to expell its citizens. Won't happen. Bush would never sign the order. So that leaves you with the foreign nationals.

That would be an uphill climb, but do-able. It would be a hard sell here, not so much France though. It would depend on what rights are given to FN when they are in a host country.

SCOTUS allowed the interment but expulsion is different. You have no proof, just the remote possibility of ill intent.

the innocents today have a chance and a choice to step in and stop it.


I understand what you are saying, but it is difficult and hazardous to your health to move against organized extremists.

IG
on Jul 07, 2005

I understand what you are saying, but it is difficult and hazardous to your health to move against organized extremists.

majority rules.  That is why it is up to them.  If they want to be citizens of AMERICA first, and ISLAM second, they will respond and stop these people.  If not, the majority will rule and they will be gone.  Even SCOTUS cannot stand against a constitutional amendment.

on Jul 07, 2005
Expelling the foreign nationals on American soil will be a problem but do-able.

But the amount of support needed to expell an entire group of US citizens, by constitutional amendment, will have to be enormous. Even for an executive order will have to be massive.

The one problem is that there has not been an attack on Amerinca soil in almost 4 years. And the leaders of the attacks on 9/11 were on visas and I do not think were American citizens.

IG

on Jul 07, 2005

But the amount of support needed to expell an entire group of US citizens, by constitutional amendment, will have to be enormous. Even for an executive order will have to be massive.

yes it will be, and yes it will be bad.  I dont WANT it to happen, but I will be rabid in my protection of my children.  And if it comes to that, I would vote for them to be gone.  It will mean we are the lesser for it.  But parents are not rational when it comes to their children.

That is why I hope they work to stop it.  If they dont, they have only themselves to blame.

on Jul 07, 2005
on Jul 07, 2005
Invoke the Klatuu Doctrine
on Jul 07, 2005
What of Sgt. Abdel Wahed from my husband's company? He's a combat veteran in the war on terror. He's married, with two little blonde children who've never stepped foot in the middle east.

While I can understand the sentiments behind your suggestion, I just can't support such an inherently anti-American proposal.
on Jul 07, 2005
Unless they start policing themselves, it will come to pass. Not because it is right, but because society will demand it. Unlike the Japanese, the innocents today have a chance and a choice to step in and stop it. If they fail, it is their fault, and perhaps human nature.


This is true.

This is a serious problem and it won't go away by sitting back and just hoping they will somehow get bored, take their toys and go home.


No, it won't go away if we ignore it, but we also don't want to give the bacteria ammunition by becoming what the bacteria are telling the American Moslems we are.

Infiltrate the mosques? Of course. Attend their activites.. absolutely. I'll tell you, if these were "Mormons" who were hijacking the good name of the religion for their own cause, I would not only welcome FBI and Homeland Security into our churches, I would become an unofficial agent.

However, we can't go casting accusations at everyone with a copy of the Holy Qur'an in their possession.
on Jul 07, 2005
Someone on another board I beleive, said the reason we strip search 80 year old Norwegian Grandmothers is because the Islamic Terrorist may use them for suicide missions. While that is true theory, one has to ask why none have been used yet?


Not that this person was an 80-year-old Norwegian Grandmother, but don't you remember how the bomb got aboard Pan Am 103? And she didn't even know she was carrying it.
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